The claims in the Blue Zone have more to do with the author's ideology than it does with reality. According to other sources, the Okinawans eat fish and pork with every meal. They may also have been the only people in Japan who never adopted a vegetarian diet.
Living longer, especially in the United States, is going to be a torture if a decisive coup is ruled out. Looking at pictures of smirk faces of Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Obama as well as G. W. Bush even once a year is enough to shorten my life for a few months. Let alone the devaluation they have brought to our lives.
You're ignoring the elephant in the room - the biggest correlation with longevity in Blue Zones by far is meat consumption. Apart from the Loma Lindan vegetarians, whose longevity is in fact no different from the nearby meat-eating Mormons, ie their health may be more to do with their abstention from poisonous substances like alcohol and tobacco.
I'm sure many of those 'studies' are not all that scientific - no independent variable, no controls etc. But even so, I think there's more to it than just diet. Studies around diet inevitably assume all people in a given demographic are interchangeable, which sounds a bit dubious to me. There's also some evidence that a core group in these zones have a genetic predisposition to live long lives anyway - so much for diet! The theories also have difficulty assessing psychological and environmental influences 'scientifically', ie confounding variables.
Much of this type of discussion may have some relevance at the population level, but one size fits all theories have always seemed dodgy to me. People are different. Applying a population-level finding to a specific individual is quite possibly pointless.
My maternal grandfather died at 46 too, same cause. His wife lived at least double that on the same diet, not to mention smoking and drinking 'claret' every day that I saw her. She was good fun, but I never knew him.
exercise, psychological (not lonely and so not as stressed), community (support and friendship), and diet all are factors. Having a purpose. You cannot over state that one. One of the people in that book said they were 'too busy to die, who would take care of the chickens?'
I saw no TV's, iphones or computers in the photos...maybe they have them but I'm guessing they don't..which means they turn to each other for interesting conversation, connection and entertainment. I also wonder if they are in retirement homes but again I'm guessing no as they don't 'retire' and so remain connected to and living with family. Living to 100 is pretty much a curse in the U.S. unless you have your health and close ties to those you love...and both are a rare combo.
Obesity from the garbage in fast food chains is a big reason Americans are dying. Second is the couch potato lifestyle. Work then watch TV at night. Then do it again and again
That data was taken directly after world war 2. I can’t believe this guy is still sticking to it. Unreal but all the plant based people are. They had more prom than r anywhere in Asia but the battle of Okinawa killed all the pigs. They were restocked from Hawaii a decades or so later and went back to their normal diet (which has caused the long life.) they’re mad for fish as well when they got their boats out or sea again. This joke zone stuff is a bunch of crap. Whatever country lives long but eat more meat and fat they left out. Check out Pioppi and the book the pioppi diet by Aseem Malhotra. They are a blue zone but they eat more sheep and dairy and fish than the author liked so he axed them.
Goes to show just how off course America has been for generations at this point, imagine what you eat and what your surroundings are like having anything to do with your health and longevity.
Take two tomato plants and stick one in sand and the other in nutrient rich soil and tell me which one will turn into America and which one will turn into Okinawa.
It is just sad to live in a time and space where common knowledge can be presented as novel information. Says everything about where we are.
Good information, thank you! The long life some attain isn't as impressive as the long functional life of the Okinawans. In addition to the factors in the article, Okinawans also have much higher iodine and potassium consumption. Both are sorely lacking in modern American diets. Okinawans traditionally add ashes from wood fire into their noodle dough which gives a huge boost to potassium as well as a unique flavor. They consume an impressive amount of sea vegetables like wakami and kombu which have exceptional iodine content. Dr. David Brownstein has a lot of information on iodine's role in optimal brain function, cancer risk reduction, and overall good health.
"The claims in the Blue Zone have more to do with the author's ideology than it does with reality."
Someone is just peddling more Reset Snake Oil.
Stem cell mutation rate apparently determines some 66% of an individual cancer risk. It is genetically predetermined. (Cristian Tomasetti and Bert Vogelstein ~ Science 347:78-81, 2015)
Also few vaccines, less poison in the foods and waters and oh, less medicines as no running to doctors for a little pill to fix 'everything' (See Wegovia for the dangers of 'there's a pill or a drug for that' condition). And yes Maimonides (sp) knew circa 1150 AD that you stop eating when you are full. Or even before, don't eat too much was one of his rules and only eat when hungry! See we've know the solution to fatties for a long time. Eat only when hungry, limit the food to reasonable intake (portion control) and exercise/move. Do that and you aren't going to get fat.
However I have seen a similar movie as this (saw trailer) about the Blue Zones a few years ago and it was very informative. IMO the Blue Zones in America would have been or are The Amish, The Orthodox Jews and those families that live on farms. Everyone else at old age is isolated and discarded.
Dissolution of the family, esp. the extended family or the family compound where family live in close proximity. And aged are never sent to nursing homes.
I don’t consider epidemiology a science. It is the practice of having people guess what they are for the past several months, then if the reported diets don’t support the bias if the “researchers” they adjust the data until it does. This is more akin to fiction than science, and absolutely incapable of showing a causal relationship.
1) Do not get vaccinated. 2) Do not get vaccinated. 3) Do not get vaccinated = potentially live to 100
The claims in the Blue Zone have more to do with the author's ideology than it does with reality. According to other sources, the Okinawans eat fish and pork with every meal. They may also have been the only people in Japan who never adopted a vegetarian diet.
Thank you for the report.
Living longer, especially in the United States, is going to be a torture if a decisive coup is ruled out. Looking at pictures of smirk faces of Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Obama as well as G. W. Bush even once a year is enough to shorten my life for a few months. Let alone the devaluation they have brought to our lives.
Joe Stalin's ability to shorten anyone's life shouldn't be a problem for much longer. He appears to be grinding to a halt.
You're ignoring the elephant in the room - the biggest correlation with longevity in Blue Zones by far is meat consumption. Apart from the Loma Lindan vegetarians, whose longevity is in fact no different from the nearby meat-eating Mormons, ie their health may be more to do with their abstention from poisonous substances like alcohol and tobacco.
Some of those Loma Linda studies also include people who eat some chicken and fish in the vegetarian category.
I'm sure many of those 'studies' are not all that scientific - no independent variable, no controls etc. But even so, I think there's more to it than just diet. Studies around diet inevitably assume all people in a given demographic are interchangeable, which sounds a bit dubious to me. There's also some evidence that a core group in these zones have a genetic predisposition to live long lives anyway - so much for diet! The theories also have difficulty assessing psychological and environmental influences 'scientifically', ie confounding variables.
Much of this type of discussion may have some relevance at the population level, but one size fits all theories have always seemed dodgy to me. People are different. Applying a population-level finding to a specific individual is quite possibly pointless.
My dad died at 46 of colon cancer. His mother lived to 105. She ate bacon and eggs, fried chicken
and veggies out of her garden everyday.
My maternal grandfather died at 46 too, same cause. His wife lived at least double that on the same diet, not to mention smoking and drinking 'claret' every day that I saw her. She was good fun, but I never knew him.
Agreed.
exercise, psychological (not lonely and so not as stressed), community (support and friendship), and diet all are factors. Having a purpose. You cannot over state that one. One of the people in that book said they were 'too busy to die, who would take care of the chickens?'
Why do you have to have a purpose? Can one not just BE.
I saw no TV's, iphones or computers in the photos...maybe they have them but I'm guessing they don't..which means they turn to each other for interesting conversation, connection and entertainment. I also wonder if they are in retirement homes but again I'm guessing no as they don't 'retire' and so remain connected to and living with family. Living to 100 is pretty much a curse in the U.S. unless you have your health and close ties to those you love...and both are a rare combo.
Obesity from the garbage in fast food chains is a big reason Americans are dying. Second is the couch potato lifestyle. Work then watch TV at night. Then do it again and again
They work from home . Watch tv ; play on phone . Sit in ac all day . Don’t go out - call for food delivery.
Can’t even walk to mailbox.
Millennials: 30 ish -
That’s why I’ve looked in other countries for female partners. Now in Chile.
Well ; two my buddies married mail order Filipino’s . Didn’t work out to good. Once they become Americanized and learn divorce !!!. 😁
Lol
😁👍👌
If I every subscribe to Netflix it’ll be after they swear off Porn content. Hashtag demandbetter
That’s what did it for me too...”Cuties”.
Absolutely agree! Same goes for HULU.
(((... were I consistent, Amazon and Apple would also be on the 'ditch' list, but mission creep has creeped and now we're in bed w creeps)))
If two-thirds of your calories are coming from sweet potatoes, you may not necessarily live to be 100 - but it sure as hell will feel like it.
That data was taken directly after world war 2. I can’t believe this guy is still sticking to it. Unreal but all the plant based people are. They had more prom than r anywhere in Asia but the battle of Okinawa killed all the pigs. They were restocked from Hawaii a decades or so later and went back to their normal diet (which has caused the long life.) they’re mad for fish as well when they got their boats out or sea again. This joke zone stuff is a bunch of crap. Whatever country lives long but eat more meat and fat they left out. Check out Pioppi and the book the pioppi diet by Aseem Malhotra. They are a blue zone but they eat more sheep and dairy and fish than the author liked so he axed them.
I love sweet potatoes. Unfortunately I drown mine in butter and cottage cheese with pepper. don't think its really that healthy.
Goes to show just how off course America has been for generations at this point, imagine what you eat and what your surroundings are like having anything to do with your health and longevity.
Take two tomato plants and stick one in sand and the other in nutrient rich soil and tell me which one will turn into America and which one will turn into Okinawa.
It is just sad to live in a time and space where common knowledge can be presented as novel information. Says everything about where we are.
Good information, thank you! The long life some attain isn't as impressive as the long functional life of the Okinawans. In addition to the factors in the article, Okinawans also have much higher iodine and potassium consumption. Both are sorely lacking in modern American diets. Okinawans traditionally add ashes from wood fire into their noodle dough which gives a huge boost to potassium as well as a unique flavor. They consume an impressive amount of sea vegetables like wakami and kombu which have exceptional iodine content. Dr. David Brownstein has a lot of information on iodine's role in optimal brain function, cancer risk reduction, and overall good health.
"The claims in the Blue Zone have more to do with the author's ideology than it does with reality."
Someone is just peddling more Reset Snake Oil.
Stem cell mutation rate apparently determines some 66% of an individual cancer risk. It is genetically predetermined. (Cristian Tomasetti and Bert Vogelstein ~ Science 347:78-81, 2015)
Also few vaccines, less poison in the foods and waters and oh, less medicines as no running to doctors for a little pill to fix 'everything' (See Wegovia for the dangers of 'there's a pill or a drug for that' condition). And yes Maimonides (sp) knew circa 1150 AD that you stop eating when you are full. Or even before, don't eat too much was one of his rules and only eat when hungry! See we've know the solution to fatties for a long time. Eat only when hungry, limit the food to reasonable intake (portion control) and exercise/move. Do that and you aren't going to get fat.
Wish it wasn't on Netflix, ugh :(
However I have seen a similar movie as this (saw trailer) about the Blue Zones a few years ago and it was very informative. IMO the Blue Zones in America would have been or are The Amish, The Orthodox Jews and those families that live on farms. Everyone else at old age is isolated and discarded.
Dissolution of the family, esp. the extended family or the family compound where family live in close proximity. And aged are never sent to nursing homes.
I don’t consider epidemiology a science. It is the practice of having people guess what they are for the past several months, then if the reported diets don’t support the bias if the “researchers” they adjust the data until it does. This is more akin to fiction than science, and absolutely incapable of showing a causal relationship.
I preach all this, every day, in my practice. Healthcare starts here.
Who wants to live there and sit on the floor and sleep on a mat eating boring food for 100 years?